Abolish the Senate. End the Electoral College. Pack the Court.
For Democrats, President Trump’s victories have revealed the antidemocratic flaws at the core of our government. But could it be an opening for a constitutional revolution as the party searches for its next leader?
This week, Ross explores what that revolution would entail with Osita Nwanevu, the author of the book, “The Right of the People: Democracy and the Case for a New American Founding.”
3:46 - What's wrong with our democracy?
9:07 - Our undemocratic founding
17:00 - The case for more U.S. states and a new constitution
23:52 - Where economic reform fits into this problem
29:26 - Does Trump represent the will of the people?
37:17 - What Trump’s presidency says about democracy
40:30 - The elusive Bernie Sanders moment
46:29 - The mystical element of our politicsThoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat.
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